Yo! Project

OH! Hold up! => Rules => Topic started by: Liana on September 12, 2008, 10:11:51 PM

Title: Yo! Project Rules
Post by: Liana on September 12, 2008, 10:11:51 PM
For a BBS that claims to be chill, this is a really long set of rules. I think this is the true test of posting at Y!P. If you can wade through Liana's wordiness, you're in!

GENERAL RULES

1. I have zero patience for drama. Zero. I will even sometimes create it in my effort to squash it before fruition! The point is, if you have to throw a hissy fit, at least do it where I can't see it. PMs, AIM, take it there. No killing in the house, I ain't replacing no more furniture.

2. Don't be a diva, and have a thick skin. By singing, by putting something that requires talent and finesse in public, we are opening ourselves in a way that won't always turn out. Sometimes people will tell you something you're proud of isn't all that great and it will hurt. It's understandable to be upset, but after that's over you need to take the advice and grow- not act as if someone insulted you, your ancestors, and your little dog too. I, personally, WILL NOT work with someone like that, period, and I know other mixers here won't either.

3. You wouldn't go out in public with a stain on your pants, your shirt on backwards and your hair unbrushed, would you? If you did, no one would respect you. Much in that vein, how you talk and type will be the first things people see when meeting you online. Using netspeak, half sentences, and fangirl Japanese is the Yo! Project equivalent of a faded unicorn sweatshirt. No one will take you seriously. Avatars over 100x100 and huge signatures are also presenting yourself poorly.

4. Along with maturity comes the right to complete immaturity. Swear words, sarcasm, sex, TMI about one's vagina, it's all here folks. Think of us less of H!P and more like Avex guys. Dirty as hell. If discussion like that offends you, then you simply need to find another place to sing. One the flip side, with more and more youngins coming in we the sexually active need to remember where the line is or keep it to appropriate threads.

5. Do not be catty or egotistical. A lot of people take pride in Yo! Project and try to make it the best . . . thingamajig they can, and some people believe we have already achieved that. That belief does not give ANYONE the right to mock other groups. Yes, you can vent frustrations about other groups here and yes, you can whine about general things (seriously guys stop lowering the volume of the karaoke and learn how to compress your vocals). But never, EVER mock directly or tear anyone down. On that note, NEVER say anything here that you wouldn't say to someone's face.

6. At the moment, we do allow you to change your profile name. It is very confusing for some people and gets very abused. It's allowed to happen for a few reasons, but if you change your name you MUST put your former name in your signature unless it's very obvious (IE: dropping -chan from your name.) If you are caught changing your name without doing so, your name will be changed back and the privilege will be taken away from you.

7. It's unspoken on the internet that multiple accounts on forums are not needed. While it's mostly an organizational issue, it's also there to avoid situations where someone pretends to be multiple people. If we catch you pretending to be someone else, you are banned. We've had a couple issues with this throughout the forum's history.  If you have an honest reason for IP sharing, like the rare case of siblings, shoot us a PM after registering so we know. Pictures or voice samples where you both talk at the same time are not required, but helpful- unfortunately, we've had so many problems with multiple account fraud that we DO recommend this. We've gotten some pretty fantastic lies ("I only sign on at the library so that other guy with my IP must also go to that library but I don't know who you're talking about at all!") and are now making it official that while we can't do anything without concrete proof of fraud and won't ban you, we don't buy it at all. If the admins have any reason to suspect, we will begin keeping a VERY close eye on you. On that note, there is no need for a Y!P account for your project if you already have a personal account. It only confuses people. These rules go into effect for all accounts made after May 8th, 2011.

H!P PROJECTS, OTHER PROJECTS, AND COVER GROUPS

1. Because a lot of us want to see a focus on really good mixing that has a lot of care and love in to it, if you start a project here you must either plan on mixing it or have already talked to a mixer and they've agreed to do it. No holding auditions for singers AND a mixer. This also ensures no project is left with a cast but no mixer.  The exception to this is if you're holding auditions for an entire Greeting! Project or what have you.

2. If you have to cancel a project, you have to cancel a project. Sometimes there is simply not enough interest. However, you may cancel a project without consequence if:
1. No or not enough auditions are submitted by the deadline.
2. Auditioning is ended with no casting having been done.
3. No parts have been turned in upon arrival of the deadline.
    3a. If part of the cast has turned in you must give 2 weeks for late lines OR casting covers before a mod will close your thread.

3. In order to promote the “quality over quantity” Yo! Project has always strived for we have a 3-project rule.  This means you are only allowed 3-projects at a time.  If you do start more projects a mod or admin will lock your thread, move it to the archives, and you will be PM’ed.  However, members can be immune to this rule if they PM an admin and have at least a 70% finished percentage including canceled projects.  Also, if you are planning on casting your project before the deadline (or if you never had a deadline) you must give a 72-hour closing warning.

4. Respect producers decisions. If you don't agree with how they're doing something, it's not up to you to tell them. Unless it's something harmful (and I don't mean "You always precast your leads" harmful, I mean replying to auditions with insults or something), just do not audition. No back seat producing people. Also, please assume that all producers want one timed out take unless otherwise stated. If you want to send in a reel or multiple takes, PM the producer before doing so.

5. Not really a rule per se, but if you start a permanent group and want a subforum, simply contact an admin with the group name and list of people and she'll make it happen.
Title: Re: Yo! Project Rules
Post by: jko on September 12, 2008, 10:19:04 PM
1. I have zero patience for drama. Zero. I will even sometimes create it in my effort to squash it before fruition! The point is, if you have to throw a hissy fit, at least do it where I can't see it. PMs, AIM, take it there. No killing in the house, I ain't replacing no more furniture.
GOD Liana. She only bled a little. And it was just on the sofa. Just flip the damn cushion over and stop being such a queen about it.
Title: Re: Yo! Project Rules
Post by: Gino on September 12, 2008, 10:48:04 PM
I don't know why, but these rules scared me.

Were they supposed to? o.o
Title: Re: Yo! Project Rules
Post by: Liana on September 12, 2008, 10:52:06 PM
No dude! Everyone is FINE <3 I love you dude. Never leave me. We need to UH UH after all.
Title: Re: Yo! Project Rules
Post by: Gino on September 12, 2008, 10:53:55 PM
XD
Liana, you're awesome! <3

Much love to you and Yo!Pro! :D
Title: Re: Yo! Project Rules
Post by: Princess Pudding on September 12, 2008, 11:50:11 PM
We have... rules now?!  :D
Title: Re: Yo! Project Rules
Post by: jko on September 13, 2008, 04:26:44 AM
We have... rules now?!  :D
We have babies now. xD Rules help us grow as people.
Title: Re: Yo! Project Rules
Post by: DJ_MaiMai on September 13, 2008, 08:23:02 AM
Will follow! :D
Title: Re: Yo! Project Rules
Post by: Little Rae on October 26, 2008, 06:36:10 PM
Same here. Note: For future reference, I make LOTS of spelling errors some days.
Title: Re: Yo! Project Rules
Post by: Liana on October 27, 2008, 01:46:19 PM
Added a new rule.
Title: Re: Yo! Project Rules
Post by: nozomi25 on October 27, 2008, 06:47:31 PM
i will follow as well
Title: Re: Yo! Project Rules
Post by: k on January 26, 2009, 01:33:03 PM
*will make avatar smaller...*
Title: Re: Yo! Project Rules
Post by: Liana on March 27, 2009, 06:47:24 PM
Not really a rule, I just wanted to let people know that I've taken away member's ability to delete their own topics. There was no point to this in the past and it's only been used by some people to hide when they've been chastised. If you want a topic of yours deleted from now on, you have to PM me.
Title: Re: Yo! Project Rules
Post by: Windy on March 27, 2009, 06:52:02 PM
Thank you. That got really, really confusing.

Especially when people would delete project topics before they were finished because they just decided NOT to do them anymore without telling people x.X And weird stuff like that.
Title: Re: Yo! Project Rules
Post by: Liana on March 27, 2009, 06:54:07 PM
Yeah I've been frustrated by this practice for QUITE some time but it JUST hit me that I could probably take away that ability XD I'm slow, but I get there!
Title: Re: Yo! Project Rules
Post by: Molly? ? on March 27, 2009, 07:03:26 PM
To defend myself in this case, I didn't delete my topic to hide that you yelled at me. I deleted it to stop the drama from escalating. Nor did I delete the project, I sent a message to the other person.
Title: Re: Yo! Project Rules
Post by: Liana on March 27, 2009, 07:16:04 PM
That's cool, Molly, and it's my fault for leaving that option open for so long. In the future, it's generally best to leave it up to the admins/mods to decide what to do with any growing drama on any BBS, that IS why they're there. I hope the project works out in the end <333
Title: Re: Yo! Project Rules
Post by: Corsica on March 28, 2009, 03:11:36 AM
Question: If I need to cancel a dub due to a lack of auditions, do I just write "cancelled" in the subject line?
Title: Re: Yo! Project Rules
Post by: rynwk on March 29, 2009, 06:49:24 AM
SIR! YES SIR!
*will abide to the rules and regulation will all my might*

-salute-
Title: Re: Yo! Project Rules
Post by: Liana on March 29, 2009, 03:06:41 PM
SIR! YES SIR!
*will abide to the rules and regulation will all my might*

-salute-
omg I love you already XD
Title: Re: Yo! Project Rules
Post by: Windy on March 29, 2009, 03:07:43 PM
Is... is that a new GUY? Where did you find him? XDD
Title: Re: Yo! Project Rules
Post by: Liana on March 29, 2009, 03:16:55 PM
YOUTUBE!

I love how whenever a guy joins everyone gathers around in a circle and marvels while Trike and Koolmon roll their eyes and go back to watching soccer or whatever it is men do.
Title: Re: Yo! Project Rules
Post by: Trike on March 29, 2009, 04:51:44 PM
I WAS THE LAST GUY TO JOIN HERE FYI AND I WAS VERY INTERESTED I'LL HAVE YOU KNOW
Title: Re: Yo! Project Rules
Post by: Gino on March 29, 2009, 08:09:46 PM
Actually, I joined after you Trike... :P

I'm actually happy we have a new guy! It gives our boyband the extra edge we need! :D

And I don't do that men stuff. I stick to watching Food Network, chatting with my gal pals about how their boyfriends are being meanies, and being a facebook whore.
Title: Re: Yo! Project Rules
Post by: Trike on March 29, 2009, 08:29:53 PM
Actually, I joined after you Trike... :P
What.

What is this.

Why is this my first time hearing this.

What does this mean.
Title: Re: Yo! Project Rules
Post by: rynwk on March 30, 2009, 01:59:41 AM
Is... is that a new GUY? Where did you find him? XDD


uwiisu!
yups!Me new guy indeed

is it me..Or it seems that there are only a few guys(males) here?
Title: Re: Yo! Project Rules
Post by: Little Rae on March 30, 2009, 04:55:27 AM
There's only 3, including you. There were only 2
Title: Re: Yo! Project Rules
Post by: Gino on March 30, 2009, 06:37:47 PM
Is... is that a new GUY? Where did you find him? XDD


uwiisu!
yups!Me new guy indeed

is it me..Or it seems that there are only a few guys(males) here?
You're the third guy to join the forum. Congratulations. :D
Title: Re: Yo! Project Rules
Post by: Molly? ? on March 30, 2009, 06:41:38 PM
Isn't he the fourth?
I think Logan joined awhile back.
Title: Re: Yo! Project Rules
Post by: Serenyty on March 30, 2009, 06:46:22 PM
Yay, manfolk :)
Title: Re: Yo! Project Rules
Post by: Gino on March 30, 2009, 09:06:45 PM
Isn't he the fourth?
I think Logan joined awhile back.
Oh forgot about him. He doesn't count because he was only 12. :P
Title: Re: Yo! Project Rules
Post by: Aura on April 01, 2009, 08:28:58 AM
^ xDDDDD. LOL

Welcome rynwk! =D I've seen your stuff on YT before! You're awesome! :atsuko:
Title: Re: Yo! Project Rules
Post by: rynwk on April 05, 2009, 12:15:06 AM
Isn't he the fourth?
I think Logan joined awhile back.
Oh forgot about him. He doesn't count because he was only 12. :P


ah~ i'm 18 so i'm counted i guess?
yay~
Title: Re: Yo! Project Rules
Post by: Gino on April 05, 2009, 02:03:47 AM
Yay! You're legal!
Title: Re: Yo! Project Rules
Post by: rynwk on April 05, 2009, 06:49:11 AM
Yay! You're legal!

yeshu i AM XD
Title: Re: Yo! Project Rules
Post by: Liana on August 06, 2009, 07:10:50 PM
Rules UPDATED. IMPORTANT TO READ.
Title: Re: Yo! Project Rules
Post by: Joy on October 13, 2009, 05:06:46 PM
Wow... YoPro seems fun  ;D

I'll follow these rules <3
Title: Re: Yo! Project Rules
Post by: Momoko on October 15, 2009, 11:32:47 AM
I'll make sure to follow them!
Title: Re: Yo! Project Rules
Post by: Liana on November 06, 2009, 05:53:59 PM
Okay so I guess I don't want to add this to the "rules" rules but this is a good place to make an announcement. I will no longer tolerate bitching about MM-BBS at Y!P, kind of piggy backing off of what Prinny said over there at BBS Idol.

The Original Y!P Members posted at mm-bbs back in the day. Therefore, we share a lot of members. More than any other non-karaoke/youtube related forum. When something happens over there and you stomp back here to complain and say what you WOULDN'T over there because you know there are enough people here who will understand and bitch with you, it's really immature and petty. It's like . . . a group of friends hanging out with another group of friends, right? Group A pisses off Group B so Group B all runs to another corner of the room where they can bitch together- even though Group A can easily listen in to this conversation if they want to. That'd be bullshit if it happened in realsies and it's bullshit here.

Maybe no one means to be like that- some people are just ranting. Some people don't really know that Y!P and MM-BBS are so closely related. So I'm lying it out now. We are. Not only that, but sensitive altercations have taken place behind the scenes between all kinds of combinations of Y!P members and MM-BBS members, at least the members of the MM-BBS karaoke community and it's just . . . no man. You can bitch about H!O, they're a much bigger bigger animal. MM-BBS no longer is and we are no longer tiny and insignificant with 11 active posters. Shit's changed, y'all.

While ranting about situations on other forums is more or less fine, MM-BBS is special. From here on out, it's done. You can rant in your blog. To each other. To your fucking stuffed teddy bear, I don't know, but not here. It stops now.

(You are welcome, Jessica.)
Title: Re: Yo! Project Rules
Post by: jko on November 06, 2009, 06:05:44 PM
I shall weep tears of joy and celebrate all the impending Quiet. \:D/
Title: Re: Yo! Project Rules
Post by: Liana on November 06, 2009, 06:07:38 PM
I knew you'd be happy beyond words XD She has been telling me to do this for YEARS but it's never been a big enough of a problem before.
Title: Re: Yo! Project Rules
Post by: jko on November 06, 2009, 06:11:46 PM
"I'm so mad about that thing on the BBS" -- HOW WAS THAT NOT A PROBLEM? xD We're not MMBBS' back alley whorehouse, dammit. XD When I give a blowjob, it costs more than five dolla.

Either way, it's all good now! <3 Thankyou. :*
Title: Re: Yo! Project Rules
Post by: Liana on November 06, 2009, 06:18:09 PM
Because I don't even GET that metaphor and you overanalyze things and I've always ignored you until BBS Idol made it a really big problem XD Not The Recent Things, but all the things before it. And even before THAT we all bitched about mm-bbs (and even then I thought it was pretty gay.) In fact the very first karaoke Y!P released was all of us screaming "WE HATE MM-BBS ONLY WE POST THERE SO IT'S LIKE WHY ARE WE BITCHING WE COULD MAYBE JUST NOT POST THERE." This is a true fact.
Title: Re: Yo! Project Rules
Post by: jko on November 06, 2009, 06:21:23 PM
MY BLOWJOB METAPHOR WAS BRILLIANT.

FUCK YOU.
Title: Re: Yo! Project Rules
Post by: Liana on November 06, 2009, 06:22:06 PM
*Turns page in book. Ignores Jko.*
Title: Re: Yo! Project Rules
Post by: Trike on November 06, 2009, 06:32:11 PM
Yay!

Yes, I agree fully. I'm sick of having MM-BBS mixed up with my Y!P and I'm sick of having Y!P mixed up with my MM-BBS, dammit. It gets really annoying seeing people talk/bitch about MM-BBS when it's not related to this place and when there are multiple people post there, or used to post there. Y!P isn't a clique/enemy of MM-BBS and MM-BBS's karaoke forum isn't a sub-forum of Y!P! Stop it!

Meanwhile H!O is still sewage somehow turned into a forum. It's amazing how they do that.  :D
Title: Re: Yo! Project Rules
Post by: Liana on November 06, 2009, 06:35:11 PM
Y!P isn't a clique/enemy of MM-BBS and MM-BBS's karaoke forum isn't a sub-forum of Y!P! Stop it!
THAT IS PERFECT everyone skip over my essay and just read that sentence.
Title: Re: Yo! Project Rules
Post by: jko on November 06, 2009, 06:46:36 PM
Y!P isn't a clique/enemy of MM-BBS and MM-BBS's karaoke forum isn't a sub-forum of Y!P! Stop it!
THAT IS PERFECT everyone skip over my essay and just read that sentence.
But he doesn't reference getting or giving a blowjob even once. :(
Title: Re: Yo! Project Rules
Post by: Trike on November 06, 2009, 06:57:32 PM
Y!P isn't a clique/enemy of MM-BBS and MM-BBS's karaoke forum isn't a sub-forum of Y!P, and jko's blowjobs cost slightly more than 5 dollars! Stop it!
Title: Re: Yo! Project Rules
Post by: Liana on November 06, 2009, 06:59:01 PM
Jessica. Jessica. I got like. 5.62 from tips today.
Title: Re: Yo! Project Rules
Post by: jko on November 06, 2009, 07:00:38 PM
I'll be right over.
Title: Re: Yo! Project Rules
Post by: Kimiko on November 06, 2009, 11:28:53 PM
Yeah really. MM-BBS is MM-BBS, Y!P is Y!P, the end.
Title: Re: Yo! Project Rules
Post by: Jodie on November 07, 2009, 03:57:37 AM
I've never got around to asking, but what is MMBBS?
Title: Re: Yo! Project Rules
Post by: Haruka on November 30, 2009, 06:39:42 AM
Aye aye captain!  Don't have an avatar yet but I'll make sure it's 100x100. 8D
Title: Re: Yo! Project Rules
Post by: DC on November 30, 2009, 01:28:39 PM
I've never got around to asking, but what is MMBBS?

I don't know too much about it, but a lot of people here chill there too.  It's the forum where they work on Projecthello.com lyrics mostly~!

EDIT- Although, you probabaly figured that out by now.  I just now realised your post was a month old, sorry XDD
Title: Re: Yo! Project Rules
Post by: Liana on December 05, 2009, 12:07:42 PM
Aye aye captain!  Don't have an avatar yet but I'll make sure it's 100x100. 8D
:D I LIKE HER XD
Title: Re: Yo! Project Rules
Post by: XxHitomixX on March 02, 2010, 11:31:22 AM
*chuckle* I'd like access to this 20+ oasis you speak of.
Even though I am not 20, I'm 19 next month, and I really need to break away from high school drama.
My life has too much serious drama to deal with teenie-bopper drama.

Onegaishimasu?  ;D
Title: Re: Yo! Project Rules
Post by: Joel on March 02, 2010, 12:33:51 PM
There's an Oasis for people 20+?! Good thing I'll be 20 in one month!
Title: Re: Yo! Project Rules
Post by: Liana on March 02, 2010, 12:40:31 PM
I really cannot add people until THE DAY they turn 20. It was something that was very much discussed when I brought up making the subforum. A 19 year old there turns into an 18 year old there and then it basically turns into an elite board of favorites.

HOWEVER. I'm probably going to delete the subforum soon. It was originally made as kind of a throwback to old Y!P, tiny hardly updated spam thread. But. No one updates it. Ever. It's not that great and I'll get rid of it soon.
Title: Re: Yo! Project Rules
Post by: Joel on March 02, 2010, 12:43:18 PM
Or. OR! Maybe it's a subforum full of evil woman over 20 who are planning to take over yopro! And since I have revealed that I'm turning 20 next month, you want to take it away? VERY SUSPICIOUS, I SAY!  ;)  You don't want me revealing your secrets!
Title: Re: Yo! Project Rules
Post by: XxHitomixX on March 02, 2010, 01:08:16 PM
Aww, how sad...
Okay then ^^
Title: Re: Yo! Project Rules
Post by: Liana on April 10, 2010, 10:45:44 PM
I finally got around to adding a rule about name changes that we talked about a while back. This was sort of the general consensus. PLEASE check the rule because it's kind of important, I get my fair share of complaints. If I had my way it'd be MUCH, much stricter so Imma be hounding on this one XD
Title: Re: Yo! Project Rules
Post by: Karlee on June 09, 2010, 01:24:38 PM
-salutes-

understood cap'n!

<3 XD
Title: Re: Yo! Project Rules
Post by: Othello on June 09, 2010, 01:26:55 PM
Why does everyone react like that by reading the rules? XD

SIR! YES SIR!
*will abide to the rules and regulation will all my might*

-salute-

Aye aye captain!  Don't have an avatar yet but I'll make sure it's 100x100. 8D
Title: Re: Yo! Project Rules
Post by: Dahisuke on September 17, 2010, 07:30:03 PM
The rules have changed....Only three projects per person?
But...There are many who have more than three projects under way :-\
I can also launch more than three projects? ;)
Title: Re: Yo! Project Rules
Post by: Othello on September 17, 2010, 07:34:02 PM
I think that rule's been up there for quite some time actually, but I ... think that they're talking about changing it to more than three? o:
Title: Re: Yo! Project Rules
Post by: Dahisuke on September 18, 2010, 11:48:31 AM
Yes...changing it to more than three
I have three projects underway
follow the rules
But some people have more than three projects
I think that's unfair...
Wonder why ... I can have more than three Proyet?
Title: Re: Yo! Project Rules
Post by: Windy on September 18, 2010, 11:56:32 AM
Just forget about the rule for now, guys. I'm pretty sure Liana has been talking about taking it away for a while. She has the final say, but I wouldn't worry about it.
Title: Re: Yo! Project Rules
Post by: Liana on September 18, 2010, 12:08:20 PM
PM someone about who has more than 3 projects; this is something teh admins are supposed to watch out for so if they missed anything, that's bad. In many other cases, it's because the producer asked an admin for permission.
Title: Re: Yo! Project Rules
Post by: Windy on September 18, 2010, 12:18:58 PM
Oh so are we keeping the rule for now? Ignore me then, I thought you planned on getting rid of it~
Title: Re: Yo! Project Rules
Post by: Liana on September 18, 2010, 12:49:24 PM
I WANTED to but if you remember I brought it up to the forum and there was a huge uprising XD I'm not a dictator, I just happen to be the person that pushes stuff along most of the time and retain final say if I don't like something.
Title: Re: Yo! Project Rules
Post by: Dahisuke on September 18, 2010, 03:21:50 PM
So ...
If someone can ask a higher to open more than 3 projects
For this rule are?? :-\
Title: Re: Yo! Project Rules
Post by: Amanda on September 21, 2010, 09:49:23 PM
Not totally sure what you are asking her Dahi, but you can PM any admin for permission. I think myself, Windy and Liana will get back to you the quickest since I know Gidg is crazy busy right now.
Title: Re: Yo! Project Rules
Post by: Windy on September 21, 2010, 09:54:05 PM
Yes, just ask. :)
Title: Re: Yo! Project Rules
Post by: kibats on December 08, 2010, 02:40:48 PM
Mods: Re:6, name changing...want to change name, because I need to discourage some net snooping pre-emptively. As such, don't really want my previous name in the sig - any other options? :x This is paranoia, but usually not unwarranted.
Title: Re: Yo! Project Rules
Post by: Liana on December 08, 2010, 02:47:59 PM
Yeah in the case of stalking I would happily waive rule 6 XD
Title: Re: Yo! Project Rules
Post by: Liana on January 23, 2011, 07:17:16 AM
Rule updated with the three projects repealed :) As well as the rule about closing projects early 'cause . . . no one was enforcing it or really cared too much about it. The people who close projects early are kind of . . . not the most professional and respected anyway so don't audition for people that are disorganized and you'll do great XD
Title: Re: Yo! Project Rules
Post by: kibats on February 19, 2011, 06:20:05 AM
Yeah in the case of stalking I would happily waive rule 6 XD
Done!
Title: Re: Yo! Project Rules
Post by: DC on August 04, 2011, 07:34:50 PM
Rule 2 has been updated and rule 3 has been added.  Please read them over!

If you have more than 3 projects as of right now you don't have to worry about it (you just can't start anymore).  However if you have less than 3 you are only able to go up to 3 and people with over 3 can not open a new project until they are down to 2.